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Post by phazan on Feb 6, 2008 4:24:39 GMT -5
Hahaha, jets aren't anywhere close. For one thing, most of the people who ride/operate those jets are highly trained, and they can withstand certain pressures. Also, lets not forget about the fact that coasters have no walls, or ceiling. What would happen if a bird hit someone at that speed?! What about the amount of room it would take up to reach that speed?? You can't make a tight corner, when a train is breaking the sound barrier...Theres no way a roller coaster is ever going to break 300mph...They will probably never even come close. I could go on for hours finding reasons NOT to make a coaster break the sound barrier...Way too dangerous in so many ways. 8 Gs is 8 Gs, no matter if it's in a jet or on a coaster. You don't know that it's not possible. You have no idea what technology will be like. If a bird hit someone on TTD or KK, they would be killed or have severe brain injuries, so that factor has already been ruled out. Not really.. I belive they can make a coaster that breaks the sound barrier...It's really not that hard to do. You can't just put someone on top of a moving car out in the open, and send them going 300+mph though. It's just noooot gonna happen! Also...how are they going to fit a coaster like that in a park?? How would it get up to speed, and slow down in a small space? Remember, going 300+mph would mean that the coaster basically would have to have an extremely wide slope/turn...They wouldn't even be able to fit something like that in a park...it's not gonna happen, dude.
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Post by FeelTheFORCE on Feb 6, 2008 6:37:43 GMT -5
8 Gs is 8 Gs, no matter if it's in a jet or on a coaster. You don't know that it's not possible. You have no idea what technology will be like. If a bird hit someone on TTD or KK, they would be killed or have severe brain injuries, so that factor has already been ruled out. Not really.. I belive they can make a coaster that breaks the sound barrier...It's really not that hard to do. You can't just put someone on top of a moving car out in the open, and send them going 300+mph though. It's just noooot gonna happen! Also...how are they going to fit a coaster like that in a park?? How would it get up to speed, and slow down in a small space? Remember, going 300+mph would mean that the coaster basically would have to have an extremely wide slope/turn...They wouldn't even be able to fit something like that in a park...it's not gonna happen, dude. You're not getting my point. I can't tell you how that's possible now because we don't have that technology. 500 years down the road, who knows what's going to be possible. You don't, so don't say it's definitely not going to happen.
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Post by phazan on Feb 6, 2008 11:56:16 GMT -5
...First off....it's definitely not going to happen.
You can't make a coaster be able to go around a sharp corner, and NOT pull G's. It's just physically impossible, no matter what technology is out. Also, a coaster that breaks the sound barrier is ridiculous..There is no reason to go that fast on a roller coaster..It's just ridiculous, it's never going to happen. It's like someone building a 100 lane street. You wouldn't care about the fact it has 100 lanes, because after 5 lanes, the extra 95 don't really mean anything at all.
I don't know what there will be in 500 years, but there definitely won't be any 300+mph coasters.
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Post by FeelTheFORCE on Feb 6, 2008 12:44:20 GMT -5
I don't know about breaking the sound barrier, but the speed and height of these monsters will constantly be increasing. There will be coasters that go 200+ mph and possibly 250+ mph. When you build vertical, essentially there isn't a space limit. Take the coaster planned for the Las Vegas Stratosphere. That tower is what, 1000 feet or so? They were going to build a coaster that dove off the side of the 750 foot-mark and went all the way to the ground. The reason it was canned was not because of G forces, budget limitations, birds, or any of the reasons you mentioned above, but because of the noise it would cause, and how that noise would bring nearby houses' values down.
Just think of it like this. It's the year 1978 and you're in line for Gemini, the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster at 125 feet tall and 60 mph. If someone were to come up to you and say that in the year 2005, a roller coaster is going to be built that is going to be 456 feet tall and travel at 128 mph, you'd laugh them out of the line, think they're crazy, and say the same things you are saying now. The same applies to today. I bet that sometime in the next 35 years they will top 500, possibly 550 , feet and 150, possibly 175, mph.
Now I agree that there is a limit somewhere, but what I am trying to say is that we are still a long way from reaching that limit. By bringing up the Stratosphere coaster, my point is that such coasters can be built and will be eventually.
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Post by PLCP on Feb 6, 2008 15:15:57 GMT -5
There was one I saw on a TV show, planned back when the Golden Gate bridge was built, to ride the cables. Back in, like, the '30s. It would have been, like 200 mph with two hills.
Interesting stuff.
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Post by kennywood007 on Feb 6, 2008 19:53:32 GMT -5
I love long arguments I'm never gonna read. hahahaha
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Post by phazan on Feb 7, 2008 17:48:25 GMT -5
I don't know about breaking the sound barrier, but the speed and height of these monsters will constantly be increasing. There will be coasters that go 200+ mph and possibly 250+ mph. When you build vertical, essentially there isn't a space limit. Take the coaster planned for the Las Vegas Stratosphere. That tower is what, 1000 feet or so? They were going to build a coaster that dove off the side of the 750 foot-mark and went all the way to the ground. The reason it was canned was not because of G forces, budget limitations, birds, or any of the reasons you mentioned above, but because of the noise it would cause, and how that noise would bring nearby houses' values down. Just think of it like this. It's the year 1978 and you're in line for Gemini, the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster at 125 feet tall and 60 mph. If someone were to come up to you and say that in the year 2005, a roller coaster is going to be built that is going to be 456 feet tall and travel at 128 mph, you'd laugh them out of the line, think they're crazy, and say the same things you are saying now. The same applies to today. I bet that sometime in the next 35 years they will top 500, possibly 550 , feet and 150, possibly 175, mph. Now I agree that there is a limit somewhere, but what I am trying to say is that we are still a long way from reaching that limit. By bringing up the Stratosphere coaster, my point is that such coasters can be built and will be eventually. I believe we are reaching the limit. I'm saying there is a point where they have to stop building to a certain speed, because it will just be ridiculously tall/fast. I can't see the general public wanting to do something so extreme like that. I imagine people starting to think how ridiculously insane a 300mph coaster would be.. I think as the coasters get faster, the satisfaction will decrease...Someday the cost (Not money) will catch up with the satisfaction, and speed won't matter anymore.
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Post by sfnefan123 on Feb 11, 2008 19:01:45 GMT -5
I love long arguments I'm never gonna read. hahahaha Haha me too!
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Post by ice101 on Feb 11, 2008 23:24:44 GMT -5
I don't know about breaking the sound barrier, but the speed and height of these monsters will constantly be increasing. There will be coasters that go 200+ mph and possibly 250+ mph. When you build vertical, essentially there isn't a space limit. Take the coaster planned for the Las Vegas Stratosphere. That tower is what, 1000 feet or so? They were going to build a coaster that dove off the side of the 750 foot-mark and went all the way to the ground. The reason it was canned was not because of G forces, budget limitations, birds, or any of the reasons you mentioned above, but because of the noise it would cause, and how that noise would bring nearby houses' values down. Just think of it like this. It's the year 1978 and you're in line for Gemini, the world's tallest and fastest roller coaster at 125 feet tall and 60 mph. If someone were to come up to you and say that in the year 2005, a roller coaster is going to be built that is going to be 456 feet tall and travel at 128 mph, you'd laugh them out of the line, think they're crazy, and say the same things you are saying now. The same applies to today. I bet that sometime in the next 35 years they will top 500, possibly 550 , feet and 150, possibly 175, mph. Now I agree that there is a limit somewhere, but what I am trying to say is that we are still a long way from reaching that limit. By bringing up the Stratosphere coaster, my point is that such coasters can be built and will be eventually. I believe we are reaching the limit. I'm saying there is a point where they have to stop building to a certain speed, because it will just be ridiculously tall/fast. I can't see the general public wanting to do something so extreme like that. I imagine people starting to think how ridiculously insane a 300mph coaster would be.. I think as the coasters get faster, the satisfaction will decrease...Someday the cost (Not money) will catch up with the satisfaction, and speed won't matter anymore. Okay. So you are saying the genral public wouldn't want to ride something that extreme. Then SkyDiving, Racing, Airshows, Speed Boats, all of that wouldn't exist. The reason the public isn't hungry is because they aren't ready. If you go ask that people that rode Gemini back on it's opening day if they would ride a coaster that goes 120+ they would never say yes, because they weren't ready. Eventually 400 footers will be common, but as of now the public is not ready, but it is only a matter of time befor they are.
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Post by Coasterdude5 on Feb 13, 2008 19:04:36 GMT -5
This is just Test Track on steroids.
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Post by ice101 on Feb 13, 2008 19:37:40 GMT -5
/\True. But I think this looks cooler.
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Post by sfnefan123 on Feb 13, 2008 20:31:01 GMT -5
This is just Test Track on steroids. Now that you think about it, yeah. I thought there was going to be hills, not turns. Oh well, I bet the turns are forceful and full of G's.
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Post by coasterfreak101 on Feb 13, 2008 20:40:09 GMT -5
^Probably not, considering the ride will only be going around 60-65 through the turns.
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Post by mizzkid92 on Feb 13, 2008 20:45:06 GMT -5
^Since when do you have to be going fast to have high G turns? B:TR has a top speed of 50 mph and I'd take it's G's over Millennium Force's 90 mph turns with no g's any day.
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Post by coasterfreak101 on Feb 13, 2008 20:47:52 GMT -5
^Yeah, but I'm assuming that this coaster isn't squeezed into a two-or-whatever-the-number-is-acre plot of land. This one's MOST LIKELY (and by that I mean that I'm completely positive) got more room to spread out on. Spread out = less G's. Even if they're Hypersonic-radii, that speed doesn't provide very many forces. Hypersonic's turn doesn't have 'em; it's pretty tight and is going around 60-65 MPH around it.
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